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Emilio's avatar

I love the idea of having all these results fully open to the public! Really cool stuff and exciting science. As a scientist with a background in and a passion for astrobiology and microbial synthetic biology, I find this extremely exciting! I will definitely read future (and past) posts. :)

I do have a question, though: I'm not sure how the IC50 method for quantification is better than just comparing growth curves. The way you wrote it makes it sound like, unfortunately, you didn’t really manage to solve the reproducibility problems with the growth curves. But if that’s the case, why do you now trust the OD value after 24 hours of growth in an independent IC50 experiment?

Looking at your four different LB 5% salt growth curves, two of them would give an OD of ~0.5 at 24 hours, and the other two would give an OD of ~0.2 (I’m guessing you didn’t blank). It seems like just doing one IC50 experiment could result in cherry-picking whatever random value comes out that time, which doesn’t sound very robust, no? Or maybe I’m missing or misunderstanding something.

As someone who’s done way too many growth curves with E. coli for my PhD, those details and pieces of advice really resonate with me! What about salt solubility? Could your OD measurements be affected by some precipitates that either form at the beginning or during the experiment? Or are the cells sometimes clumping in the middle of the well? If you're only taking one measurement point in the center of the well, this could definitely be a problem! I always take four measurements in a square pattern.

For good shaking and growth conditions, regular 96-well plates and plate readers aren’t the best as you probably know already. Even though RPMs can be high, the amplitudes are usually very low. You need both to be as high as possible for optimal mixing and aeration. I highly recommend looking into the Growth Profiler (Enzyscreen) machine!

Regarding the variability in the lag phases, my experience is that it mostly depends on the growth state of the preculture you use for seeding (it’s best to harvest cells when the preculture is in the exponential phase, although this is annoying if you have to do this reproducibly every time) and the seeding OD (if it’s too low, it makes the lag phase too long). In my lab, we routinely use a seeding OD of 0.05.

Anyway, this has already turned into a long comment. Again, really cool stuff—I’ll definitely keep reading more of your posts!

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Jessica Sacher, PhD's avatar

I love this so much!! I want to steal ideas for improving phage growth curves... 👀

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